speaker boehner has to start counting votes. he has the majority in numbers but how much he can do or thought do, that will be dependent on a handful of fiscal conservatives on the right. >>neil: would charlie rangel be okay with a plan initially for republicans if this is what they put forward to close the loopholes and transaction breaks for millionaires without formally raising the rates and that is their initial proposal on revenue meaning taxes go up but it is not formally raising rates would you say yes or month? >>guest: there is enough money there to make it renew neutral but we have to raise money from the upper income people. >>neil: and the only way did do it in your eyes is to raise the rates? >>guest: we have to really see what he is talking about because they get a lot of preferential treatment in the tax code. >>neil: you could do it? >>guest: it is possible to do that if you cut out all the prefer usual treatment they are getting. that is not going to be easy. everyone wants tax cuts and get rid of loopholes. >>n